Our guest this episode is Jeff Zeilmann, a caller from Missouri. Jeff is the founder and lead investigator of Tracking The Unknown, an independent project focused on the systematic documentation and analysis of unidentified aerial objects. Jeff approaches the topic from an evidence-driven perspective, with a clear distinction between observation and interpretation. That framework was put to the test in August 2025, when, during an ongoing investigation, it encountered an unidentified aerial object. This event was recorded at the time and was followed by painful mental and psychological effects that lasted for several days, and an average of forty-five minutes of unknown time.
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